陈牧:敢问先生,国家之利势,当以何持之?
萧凡:臣以为,得道以持之,则大安也,大荣也,积美之源也。不得道以持之,则大危也,大累也,有之不如无之。及其綦也,索为匹夫,不可得也。齐湣、宋献是也。故用国者义立而王,信立而霸,权谋立而亡。
陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人谨受教。
chenmu:theburdenofthestateisveryheavy,howcanicarryit?sirtaughtme。
xiaofan:ithink,carryitwithjusticethenitwillmakeyousafeandhonorable,itwillbethesourceofallthatisgood,ifyoucarryitwithevilthenitwillputyouindangeranddistress,intheend,itwastoolatetoregretit,therefore,ifyoucarryitwithrighteousness,youwillbecalledaking,ifyoucarryitwithletters,youwillbecalledahegemon,carryingitwithdeceptionwillleadyoutoruin。
chenmu:sirisright,irespectfullyacceptyourteachings。
陈牧:古来帝王,多以骄奢而取败,先生每犯颜切谏,不许我为非,我所以重之也,先生以为如何?
萧凡:臣以为,大王导臣使言,臣所以敢言。若大王不受臣言,臣亦何敢犯龙鳞,触忌讳也!所谓君明则臣直是也。唐太宗李世民曾言:以铜为镜,可以正衣冠;以古为镜,可以知兴替;以人为镜,可以明得失,大王得之矣。
陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人受教矣。
chenmu:inthepast,mostkingsperishedbecauseofconceitandextravagance,youhavealwayssuggestedtomeveryseriously,inordernottoletmedoanythingbad,therefore,ivalueyouverymuch,sirwhatdoyouthink?
xiaofan:ithink,youallowmetomakesuggestionsbeforeidaretodoso,ifyouarenotwillingtoacceptmyadvicethenidarenotoffend,becauseyouareenlightened,theministerdarestosuggest,lishiminoncesaid,lookinginthemirrorallowsyoutodressneatly,usinghistoryasamirrorcantellthereasonsfortheriseandfallofcountries,usingtalentasamirrorallowsyoutoknowyourownrightandwrong,youalreadyknowwhatitmeans。
chenmu:sirisright,iacceptyourteachings。
陈牧:大理寺卿荀顗,杀我家臣,寡人欲罢其职,可乎?先生以为如何?
萧凡:臣以为,大王乃一国之君,今纵家臣而不奉公,则法削,法削则国弱,国弱则诸侯加兵,是无晋也,大王安得有社稷乎?以大王之贵,奉公如法则上下平,上下平则国强,国强则晋固,大王岂不尊荣,且大理寺卿荀顗奉公执法,而大王无故罢黜,恐失天下之望,臣窃以为不可。
陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人知过矣。
chenmu:xunyikilledmyattendant,andiwantedtoremovehimfromhisofficialposition,sirwhatdoyouthink?
xiaofan:ithink,youarethekingofthecountrybutyouindulgetheservantsandneverobeythelaw,thenthecredibilityofthelawwilldecline,whenlegalcredibilitydeclines,thestatebecomesweaker,thenothercountrieswilltaketheopportunitytoattackyou,it‘saverydangerousthing,andyoucan‘tendupholdingthecountry。youarethenobleking,andifyoutaketheleadinobeyingthelaw,thenthecredibilityofthelawwillbeestablished,becausethiscountryisgoingtobecomestrong,thecountryhasbecomestronger,andasaking,youwillbemorehonorable。xunyanhandledcasesinaccordancewiththelaw,youhavenoreasontoremovehim,i‘mafraidyouwon‘tbeabletoconvincethepeopleoftheworldbydoingthis,soidon‘tquiteapproveofyoudoingthat。
chenmu:sirisright,iwaswrong。
陈牧:寡人愿闻,圣王用人之道,先生教我。
萧凡:臣以为,明王之使人有五:一曰以大体期之;二曰要其成功;三曰忠信不疑;四曰至公无私;五曰与天下同忧。以大体期之,则臣自重。要其成功,则臣勤惧。忠信不疑,则臣尽节。至公无私,则臣尽情;与天下同忧,则臣尽死。夫唯信而后可以使人也。
陈牧:先生之言甚善,寡人谨受教。
chenmu:iwonderhowthewisekingsofthepastusedtousetalent,sirtaughtme。
xiaofan:ithinktherearefivemainpoints,thefirstiswhetherhehasabigpictureview,thesecondisbasedonthesizeofhiscredit,thethirdisthatloyaltyandtrustarefine,thefourthiswhetherheisjustandselfless,thefifthiswhetherhecansufferwithothers,onlyinthesewayscanyouusethemaccordingtodifferentsituations,butbeforethat,there‘sapremisethatyou‘regoingtoshowyoursincerity,otherwisetheywon‘tlistentoyou。
chenmu:sirisright,irespectfullyacceptyourteachings。